In JW theology, what happens to Adam and Eve? Are they resurrected and become heirs to Paradise on Earth? Or will they become two of the heavenly class? I tried finding the answer at JW.org, but no answer came up except for their sin in the Garden.
Cold Steel
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What Happens to Adam and Eve?
by Cold Steel inin jw theology, what happens to adam and eve?
are they resurrected and become heirs to paradise on earth?
or will they become two of the heavenly class?
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The Other Sheep are the 10 Tribes of Israel. WT answer.
by prologos inif you still chafing under wt's false teachings, wanted to prove wt wrong , still sit through wt "studies", here is a gem from the current studies to sept 25, july 2016 wt mag.
to read while the study drones on: "questions from readers " the 2 sticks.
the summary: the two sticks: judah's 2 and ephraim's 10 tribes were reunited at the return from exile.
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Cold Steel
That's but one example in a whole slew. That red book on Revelation is full of the WTS applying scripture to events that happened in the early 1900s. I don't know who gets to apply scriptures to events -- whether it was something Joseph Ruthersford wrote at the time or later. Some are outrageous, but so humorous that I love reading them. How can you stay mad at such guys? They certainly are bold in their proclamations! And shameless. But they run it up the flagpole and everyone salutes, so what can you say?
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FDS... GB Member Geoffrey Jackson's wife looks young
by sherrie11 in.
how old is this man?
any one have more information on him?.
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Cold Steel
Age difference between couples makes so little difference in this system of things. After all, we're on the threshold of a New....
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After 52 years a Watchtower slave 9/11 gave me the push I needed to get out.
by new boy ini turned in my letter of disassociation on september 18, 2001 but it was 9/11 that showed me what the witnesses really feel about human lives and the future wished for.. i was in limbo after my wife of 27 years left me on july 30, 2001. she knew i wasn't buying the jw program anymore.
she told me she come back to me when "i got my head straighten out about god and the church".. so for 40 days i was in limbo.
i stopped going to meetings.
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Wayward » According to their doctrines, I'd have been doomed because Jah won't accept any new recruits or returning sheep after the Tribulation starts.
That's the whole idea behind the tribulation according to most Christian religions. Accordingly, God calls prophets, warns mankind and then, if man fails to respond, a tribulation of some sort results. It may be drought, floods, famine, but it's always done to turn people back to God, not to torture them.
Most Christians also see the final tribulation as occurring in Jerusalem. The Beast of Revelation, known in the Old Testament as Gog, will make a seven-year piece treaty with Israel. During the first three and a half years, the Jews will use their temple and reestablish animal sacrifice. After that period, the Beast will finally reveal his true colors and bring down all the nations under his control in an attempt to destroy the Jewish nations once and for all. That's when the so-called tribulation begins. The JWs formulated their key doctrines before Israel was reestablished and as a result wrote the Jewish state out of the equation. They also made the Beast the U.N., even though Ezekiel specifically identifies the nations that would be under his control:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you. -Ezekiel 38
This encompasses all the Muslim nations in the region: Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Ethiopia. So the JW eschatology is flawed before their book is even written.
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New commentary on revelation coming up?
by EdenOne ini heard through the grapevine about a forthcoming book:.
together through the great tribulation - come to jehovah's mountain.
still awaiting solid confirmation though.
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I've read the red book that the WTBTS published and it so reminds me of a book I was given by a Hari Krishna guy in Chicago. It showed blue-skinned people wearing exotic clothing and curved swords. I tried getting into it, but even though I knew each word individually, put them together and I had no clue. It was so esoteric that it was meaningless. The red book was far easier to grasp, but no more believable, and the "fulfillments" the writers imagined were so mindnumbingly bizarre that I could scarcely follow them across the tapestry of the early 1900s where the early history of the Society was interwoven with John's Apocalypse. The two prophets of Revelation 11 became a group of Bible students persecuted by the clergy in Canada from 1914-1918! Like the two prophets of Revelation 11, mentored by John, Isaiah and Zechariah, these Bible students were figuratively brought back to life in 1918 with favorable rulings by courts. "What a shock for those persecutors!" the book says.
Yes, well, it was certainly a shock for me, too! How prescient of the prophets to have foreseen these Bible students in 1918 (in Canada!). And how perceptive of the Governing Body to have correlated the two events! I've got to admit, I never would have seen it in a hundred years. I'm just breathless when I see these things being fulfilled before my eyes!
Seriously, how can people buy into this type of stuff?
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By Way of Announcement, Darlene Jefferson Has Been Disfellowshiped
by Cold Steel ini was watching a jw video where the announcement was made of a young lady's being disfellowshiped, and it happened in a regular kh sunday meeting.
this struck me as being a bit...cold.
is this when the shunning begins?
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Wait For It » I was publicly reproved once.
What can one get publicly reproved for? Sounds like there is a great deal of discipline in the religion. If you're disfellowshiped, they don't say why at the podium, right? But if you're reproved, it almost begs the question.
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Caleb talks to his mother about the new system.
by LogCon inmom: yes?.
you dont want to make jehovah sad, do you mom?.
mom: okay.. .
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I think you guys are making light of a grave situation.
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By Way of Announcement, Darlene Jefferson Has Been Disfellowshiped
by Cold Steel ini was watching a jw video where the announcement was made of a young lady's being disfellowshiped, and it happened in a regular kh sunday meeting.
this struck me as being a bit...cold.
is this when the shunning begins?
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Cold Steel
I was watching a JW video where the announcement was made of a young lady's being disfellowshiped, and it happened in a regular KH Sunday meeting. This struck me as being a bit...cold.
Is this when the shunning begins? I knew people get disfellowshiped, but I didn't realize it was that humiliating. Why don't they mount some strong computer controlled directional lights that can light up anyone in the congregation? That way you can make the announcement, darken the rest of the room and bring the flashing lights to bear on the poor soul. I mean, that would be really humiliating. You might even be able to drive the vile apostate to suicide!
I guess this thing really is more of a society than a church. Are these people who are disfellowshiped actually likely to show up for the announcement? Were any of you guys present for the announcement when you were DF'ed? And when the meeting breaks, do people just treat the person like they're not there? Are you allowed to even nod at the people or do you just become invisible?
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How Will Armageddon Begin?
by Cold Steel inand how long will it last?
and who will come after that, yahweh, as the old testament says or jesus, as the new testament says?
the scriptures say he'll come to the mount of olives, but surely that's a spiritual mount of olives.
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Peely » I believe the ultimate battle of Armageddon is one of judgment to come upon God’s Chosen kings, and the establishment of his Kingdom with those who have proved their loyalty to Christ – the King of kings – those who have retained their covenant with him in repentance and refinement. Those who choose to reside in darkness (lies), enter the covenant of death under Satan’s “Babylon” (confusion) at the hands of the two Beasts of Revelation. God’s anointed Chosen ones can fall. 1 John 2:19; 2 Thess 2:1-4; 2 Cor 11:1-4; Isa 28:5-15.
When Jesus returns, he will indeed judge the earth. The Old Testament says that it's Yahweh who will come in the clouds with glory, while the New Testament says it will be Jesus. The Old Testament also says Yahweh will judge the earth when he comes, indicating that Yahweh and Jesus are one and the same. Not only do they have the same titles, John tells us that the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son (John 5:22). So yes, God comes with both salvation and judgment.
The prophets make it unmistakably clear that when he comes, he will come to the Jews in Jerusalem. In fact, the scriptures speak of the times of the gentiles ending and the times of the Jews beginning. Zechariah warns the survivors of those nations that came up against the Jews that if they don't mend their enmity with each other and the Jews and come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, that he will smite them with plague, drought and famine (see Zechariah 14) until they do. It will be tough, but the Muslims will have to repudiate many of their beliefs to conform with the will of the God of Israel. It will not be easy. According to Ezekiel, it will take seven years to bury the dead and to burn the implements of war. The nations of the Antichrist also will have to completely reevaluate their theology.
Judah also will have to reevaluate its theology and accept Jesus as the Messiah, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, and the God of Israel. He will pass through the East Gate of the city and into the third temple, which is yet to be built.
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How Will Armageddon Begin?
by Cold Steel inand how long will it last?
and who will come after that, yahweh, as the old testament says or jesus, as the new testament says?
the scriptures say he'll come to the mount of olives, but surely that's a spiritual mount of olives.
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Prophecy taken from Ezekiel 38 shows this to be in our day:
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.Ezekiel tells us that Armageddon will take place "in the latter years" (read "latter days") the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people." Prophetically, this is right on. In no other time has Judah ever been gathered out of many nations except for right now. And never has Israel ever dwelt safely "without walls" and "having neither bars nor gates" and "unwalled villages" except in our day. After World War II, the Jews (Judah) began gathering to Palestine out of many nations -- from both North and South America, Asia, Europe, the nations of Africa and the islands of the sea. How did Ezekiel know that Judah would be "the people that are gathered out of the nations" in the last days?
Ezekiel also identifies the nations that would be against Israel, and they include modern day Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia (all Muslim nations). Also, Islam has vowed to destroy Israel and will do so according to its own eschatology. Again, how did Ezekiel know hundreds of years before Jesus that Judah would be scattered throughout the nations of the earth, then miraculously gathered back to its ancestral homeland? And how did he know they would be threatened by their Islamic nations? Look at the Six Day War, where all the pundits predicted that Israel would be wiped off the map, yet Israel miraculously creamed its enemies and in just days increased its land possessions by several hundred percent!
Atheists and JWs fail to see the incredible fulfillment of prophecy that's going on before their eyes. And it's going to get much worse, then much better.